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Interview with Ph.D. David M. Jacobs
Made by MysteryPlanet: 06/11/2005

Date: 06/11/2005 .·. BACK TO MAIN

	Name: David M. Jacobs.
	Country: United States.
	Profession and/or Occupation: Professor History.
	Published Books/Researches: The UFO Controversy in America (1975), Secret Life (1992), The Threat (1998). Editor: UFOs and Abductions, Challening the Borders of Knowledge, editor (2000).
	Web site: www.ufoabduction.com
	Topics covered in the interview: Alien Abductions.

Question: You are the Director from the International Center for Abduction Research (ICAR). What is the goal from this Center, and how many abduction cases have been reported there until now?

Answer: The ICAR is a web-based organization devoted to communicating correct, evidence-driven information about the abduction phenomenon. It is a site where people can come and gain an accurate understanding of some aspects of the UFO phenomenon or at least be directed to sources that can help provide that information. In the past five years, I have received thousands of possible abduction cases and over 2.500 questionnaires describing possible abduction activity.

Question: Why did you become seriously interested in studying this phenomena?

Answer: I am not sure why I became interested in UFOs. I began to read about the subject for relaxation when I was an undergraduate in college in the mid-1960s. Eventually, I realized that there might be something important going on. If this were extraterrestrial, then it would be one of the most important events in human history. By 1967 I decided to become an “expert” in the field and read everything that had been published about it (in those days one could acutally do that). Later in graduate school, I wrote my doctoral dissertation about the conroversey over UFOs in America between 1896 and 1973. After I began my career as a professor of history, I kept up my research into the subject of UFOs. In 1982 I met Budd Hopkins who had been doing systematic abduction research. I, like most of my colleagues, believed that the abduction phenomenon was most likely psychological. But Hopkins was doing very interesting research. He allowed me to sit in on his regressions, introduced me to abductees and after a while I began to realize that he was involved with something very important. I decided to learn hypnosis and in 1986 I began to do my own hypnotic regressions. Since that time I have done about 900 regressions with about 140 different people. I now believe that the evidence suggests that the abduction phenomenon is the key to unlocking the mysteries of the UFOs.

Question: Are there any cases where physical evidence like, for instance, unexplained scars, or body implants, have been found?

Answer: Many different metallic objects and other pieces of evidence have been found and/or recovered from abductees. The problem is that everything in the universe is made up of the same elements. So the question for any artifact is, “Could it have been made on earth?” The answer is always “Yes”. Even isotopic ratios can be changed artificially. It is important for anyone who presents an artifact to show its function. They must show what it is for and how it works and then demonstrate that this object has not yet been invented on Earth. Without that, the object always goes into debate and becomes evidence in support of the story, not vice-versa.

In addition, people come back from abductions with fully formed scars, half-formed scars, puncture wounds, and so forth. This is extremely common and perhaps the majority of abductees have these marks. Some of them are small like one-inch long scars between the thumb and first finger in the same place on both hands. Others can be as long as eleven inches long and appear anywhere on one's body.

Question: One of the most famous abductions is the Betty and Barney Hill case. What is your opinion about it?

Answer: The Hill case is probably the best know UFO and abduction case in the world. This was a very good case and it set in motion our knowledge of the subject. It was investigated by Dr. Benjamin Simon and even though he was a good hypnotist, he, of course, knew nothing about abductions. Therefore the case was not investigated properly by him because he had no idea about what kind of questions to ask, and what to believe in the answers. Betty Hill was not accurate in some things and the entire investigation was incomplete. I have always thought that the case should have been to be reinvestigated.

Question: According to your experience studying abductions, how high do you estimate the possibility for an extraterrestrial origin of the abductors is? Some people even speculate that such abductors could be time travelers or intraterrestrials.

Answer: The evidence points directly to the extraterrestrial origin of the abductors. The time travelers idea has very, very serious paradoxes built into it that almost completely rule out this theory. In the same way, there is absolutely no evidence that the abductors are from another dimension or a parallel universe, etc. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. They are not from here. That is the important fact.

Question: In your opinion, which is the best debunking claim stated by skeptic people to refute the extraterrestrial hypothesis on abductions? How do you deal with that claim?

Answer: All debunkers make one or more of three mistakes. They do not know the evidence, they ignore the evidence or they distort the evidence. There are no exceptions to this. Therefore there are no explanations that do not do this and thus, there are no explanations that are better than others. The only explanation that makes sense is the one that abductees say: They are being abducted by beings from a place other than Earth. I wish somebody had come up with a psychological explanation for the abduction phenomenon. If that had happened, I could have had a normal life!

Question: Why would these entities abduct humans? What would be the abductions’ purpose? Human scientists experiment on animals which we consider less than our species (Humans), like rats or monkeys, do you think that maybe someone who has arrived from another world could be doing the same with us?

Answer: In the beginning of our research into abductions, we assumed that this was some sort of study,or learning program, or experiment. Over the years, we have not found evidence for this. We are still so committed to the experiment model that most abduction researchers still use the word “experiments” to describe procedures administered by aliens on abductees. Once again, there is absolutely no evidence for this whatsoever. What their activities suggest is that they are conducting a systematic program. As with most programs, it has a beginning, a middle, an end, and it is goal directed. They are doing this for a reason. They work in secret becasue they do not want us to know what they are doing to us. My own research has pointed to a mass of evidence that suggests that we are witnessing an integration program into the society by hybrid beings and not necessarily by the more alien-looking types. I am profoundly embarrassed to say this because I know how crazy it sounds. But as an academic, I must go where the evidence leads me and I must be honest.

Question: In your book “The Threat”, you have concluded that abductions have almost certainly an extraterrestrial explanation. If you did so, you may also had learned something about their technological and scientific devices. Would you mention some technological device for example? Have you spoken about these devices with someone who has knowledge on the physics field, and if “yes” what has he/she told you?

Answer: When it comes to technology, we know absolutely nothing about what they do and how they do it. We do not know how they get to earth. We do not know how their propulsion systems work. We do not know what their machines and devices are, and so on. In the 1950s, the “contactees” (almost all of whom were charlatans) claimed to take “rides” in flying saucers. When they spoke to aliens the aliens would explain how the saucer’s propulsion system worked. The explanations were scientific gibberish. When abductees describe the inside of the UFOs, they almost never see propulsion systems, engines, etc. Aliens almost never explain how things work. People have no knowledge about anything technological. I think that when abductees describe floating through windows and walls and then up into UFOs, we are observing future physics. How these things take place would be interesting to know, but the fact that they do take place is even more amazing.

Question: Have you found common characteristics among the majority of the abductions? Are there common procedures performed by the abductors?

Answer: All abductees, with competent investigation, describe the same procedures and activities. They are taken out of their normal environments. They are taken into a UFO. Their clothes are removed. They are placed on a table, and a series of mental, physical, and reproductive procedures are performed on them. This is a reproductively-oriented phenomenon and unfortunately we cannot skip this. They might have eggs and sperm taken. The women might have fetuses implanted in them or extracted from them. After the table procedures, they might be taken into a room where they are required to have physical interaction with babies and young children who seem like a cross between humans and aliens (hybrids). We also see these hybrids as adolescents, young adults, and mature adults (but only rarely as elderly adults). After the procedures and activities are over they are returned to their normal environment and promptly forget what has happend to them in a few seconds, although they know something strange took place. There are many other somewhat disturbing activities and procedures that the abductees report –usually related to tasks they must perform in the future when they are told to do so. The implications of the whole range of activities is very frightening both to abductees and to me.

Question: What is the most frequent description made by victims about their abductors?

Answer: Although some researchers who do not understand the abduction phenomenon and the problems of memory have said that there are many, many different kinds of aliens, the fact is that abductees describe four different types; (1) gray aliens, both smaller and taller who have different tasks to perform; (2) repitilian-like ones whose functions we are not sure of but whom appear to be more frightening to abductees than others (although their is little evidence that they are, in fact, more hostile); (3) insect-like ones, often described as looking like Praying Mantises, who appear to be in positions of authority and who give orders while the others take orders; and (4) human-like ones –hybrids.

Some images that illustrate the 4 types of aliens described by the abductees according to Jacobs.

The point is this: Abductees describe them as being together on the same UFOs and all doing the same procedures. Therefore, they all appear to be working together for the same goal. They represent a cohesive group of individuals from one place with one purpose. They do not represent a variety of aliens from different places here on Earth for different reasons.

Question: Is hypnotic regression a reliable method for studying this phenomena? Several skeptics state that it doesn't work because it is possible to place fake memmories with the same technique...

Answer: Hypnosis can be unreliable in the hands of someone who does not understand the abduction phenomenon and who does not realize the problems of memory recovery. People will remember things that did not happen. People will say things that are not true. Will be confabulate and channel information. It is up the the investigator to catch this, and put enough controls into hypnosis so that confabulation, etc., is kept to a minimum. A huge problem with naive hypnotists is that they tend to take everything the abductee says at face value. This is a fatal error. Or, they tend to place everything the abductee says into their own belief system; relgious, transformational, spiritual, benevolent, consciousness-raising, and so forth. This is another common and fatal error. One must learn as much about the phenomenon as possible before attempting to do hypnosis. When used properly with proper controls, hypnosis can be an excellent, effective, means of uncovering what has actually happened.

Question: The following question is a bit far from the main topic from this interview, but is related somehow if we try to find a connection with possible abductions in old history and myths. Could someone from the prehistoric times, without any prior knowledge of space exploration, talk or make paintings about disc shaped flying machines, or astronaut-like dressed “gods” without having seen them or heard about them before? Is it psychologically possible that primitive men could had imagined such things without having the raw material required for that on their minds?

Answer: Anything is possible. What there is evidence for is that the abduction phenomenon started in the late nineteenth century. Anything before that becomes simply speculative and it cannot be investigated. I would be extremely careful with using paintings, drawings, and other pictorial art with unexplained objects in it as evidence that these are UFOs. In the same way, I am certain that early man looked to the heavens and wondered who or what was up there. That does not mean that they saw UFOs or aliens. There is no way of proving it one way or the other. Therefore, the whole area of relating ancient artifacts, drawings, and structures, to the UFO phenomenon is extremely tenuous and never achieved any serious status within the professional and competent UFO research community.

Question: Is there a government conspiracy to hide from the public sight the extraterrestrial nature from UFO Phenomena?

Answer: No. The government does not know or care about people running around saying they were abducted by people from another planet. The government takes its cues from the scientific community. The scientific community is resolutely hostile to the idea of abductions. And, in spite of what UFO researchers have said for many years, I have found no credible evidence that the U.S. government is currently investigating UFOs or abductions on any kind of a systematic level, although there might be some private individuals within the government who are interested in the subject.

Question: Are there abduction cases outside the USA? Are they similar or different from those ones registered inside the USA?

Answer: I have worked with people who are from or who have had abductions in Africa, Europe, Asia, North America, South America, New Zealand, etc. The United States has a good private reporting system, abductions have been in the media quite a lot, and many, many people have come forward with their experiences. Therefore, it seems as if Americans have had more abductions than other countries. That is almost certainly not true. And all of the abductees, from whatever country they live in, say the same thing.

Question: What should I do if I think I have been abducted? How can I verify whether I have been abducted or not? Who should I contact in case I have been an abduction victim?

Answer: Unfortunately, there are so few competent researchers that I can only recommend a few to do a good job investigating abductions. Therefore, when people think they have been abducted, the best thing to do is to contact their local UFO organization and see if they have a competent hypnotist for them. If they do have someone whom they can see, that investigator should write to my website www.ufoabduction.com and I will send them a little packet (in English) of materials to help them understand how to do this type of work.

Question: Does your Center have statistics from abductions? What kind of information do you store on your registries? Could it be possible to perform an analisis upon your data bases in order to determine if there is an abduction “High-Risk” group? In case it is so, which could be the ethnical, religious, age, sex, nationality, or location group with higher abduction registries?

Answer: I have received thousands of accounts of abductions, although each should be investigated before we can absolutely tell if that person was abducted. In the past few years, I have received over 2.500 questionnaires from my website. One of these days I will put as much as I can into a database and go public with the statistics.

All people whose mothers or fathers are abductees are therefore abductees themselves. If they do not have a parent who is an abductee, they are in a “very low risk” group. Abductees cut across all racial, ethnic, religious, geographic, economic, political, social, cultural, and educational boundaries. They have two things in common: they are human and their mother or their father was an abductee. They are abducted from infancy and abductions continue with increasing and decreasing frequency into old age. They are abducted when they will be missed the least. Therefore they are more likely to be abducted home alone or in small groups, than when they are at work, at a football game, etc.

Question: About sex with unknown entities, are there medical anomalies which could support these claims?

Answer: People report missing fetuses, anomalous vaginal and ovarian scarring, mysterious “vigin” pregnancis, and so forth. It is important to understand that the standard gray aliens do not have genitals, that we know of, therefore there are no cases of sex with aliens. People do have sex with other abductees, but that is exclusively to express sperm so it can be collected in a receptical. Unfortunately, people also describe having sex with hybrids. The reasons for this are complex and have to do with impregnating females for early removal of the fetus and to satisfy the hybrid’s own desires.

Question: Dr. Jacobs, thank you very much for grant us this interview. Would you like to leave a message for those ones who have been victims of this phenomena? By the way, is this really a phenomena or just a different reality?

Answer: This is a phenomenon that is not ameanable to easy answers. We must take this seriously even though it seems crazy on the surface. It is directly related to the UFO phenomenon and it gives us the answers to why UFOs are here. This is not a different reality. This is our reality.

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